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SOLSAKS 12-03-2019 06:53 PM

hinges with problems and problems with hinges
putting doors and hinges back on 76 j10,...
had a buddy of mine take the hinges and bead blast them
when they dismantled the truck,...
then he put new pins/bushings in for me

one set was stiffer than the other
we thought it may be the passenger hinges that were not as loose
since not used as much as driver door.....

my buddy also noted/found that two wierd looking pieces fell out of the hinge or hinges, they are 1.25" long x 5/8" wide
and 1/8" thick and they have a "V" Shaped notch in each end,...
due to ignorance,.....we did not put them back in, I still have them.

now,....body shop is re installing doors, he says pass door shuts/latches
and is kinda free swinging, no binding

the driver door, however
will not shut, when it gets to about 4 or 5 inches from shutting it is really stiff
and seems it would have to be man handled to make shut.

is there any advice from someone who has dons this ?
are all hinges same ?, could we have them mis matched, etc etc....

if I could buy hinges and solve the problem I would, but don't recall seeing any new hinges for sale.
the pass door is so close at top pf frame
I am not going to be able to install bright trim scalp moulding, but that was an issue before taking truck apart
( the original bright trim at top of frame was torn from where it had been hitting )

any help appreciated......

dave in NC:drivin:

Full Size Jeeper 12-03-2019 08:27 PM

Does the hinge look like this? Also it is hard for me and possibly others to understand what you are describing. I put new bushings in my front door hinges. When I pulled the pin out, it separated into two pieces. I did not see any other parts. I know you have trouble posting pics, but that would be a big help when asking questions. Good luck.

Full Size Jeeper 12-03-2019 08:39 PM

SOLSAKS, after re-reading your post, maybe something is bent and the extra pieces were some sort of shim. What if you swapped the hinges from the door that works fine to the door that won't shut. If that fixes it, you can get a used hinge in good shape to fix the problem. Unfortunately A lot of times you may have to put something together A few times to figure out a problem and get it right. Ask me how I know, good luck.

fsj454 12-04-2019 12:00 AM

Extra pieces
You must put those extra pieces in hinges before you put the pin in . They work like guide blocks .A guy on facebook groups FSJ Full Sized Jeep had 2 nos hinges cheap to . 115.00 Peter B Judkins FSJ Full Sized Jeep-parts and rigs for sale 11 23 19 at 8.49 am pictures to . :thumbsup: Good cheap parts .

SOLSAKS 12-04-2019 09:27 AM

ah caveman fsj454 knows what I am talking about

although I appreciate full size jeepers help too

yes the guide blocks that fell out
have marks on them from years of movement

one side has straight abrasion lines
the other half moon or arched abrasion lines
from the movement of the hinge

there are 2 NOS that are for sale for 70 bucks
I can see the guide blocks in the NOS set

I will snag those
bet that is the problem

SOLSAKS 12-04-2019 09:30 AM

to be sure
did the hinge design ever change on j10 trucks ?

I know jeep started using round head star bolts later on

but hope the hinge design never changed

P.S. and I assume j-10 trucks and wagoners used same hinge.

thanx dave:)

fsj454 12-04-2019 09:50 AM

The lines are to trap grease .

SOLSAKS 12-04-2019 09:53 AM


can you confirm hinge design never changed

I bought the set on eBay for 70 dollars

it says 84-91 wag hinges

but I got them anyway cause they look the same

please advise if you think I messed up by getting them

if so I have wasted 70 dollars before.

dave in NC:drivin:

fsj454 12-04-2019 11:14 AM

pn j5758134
Cherokee 70s with seals PN J5758134 FREE SHIP 115.00 .I would go for these . In 1979 early models and late models used different locks styles . Dave I have a box of hinges its not all that hard to rebuild . Just go to autozone help section multiple door hinge pin pac 1 pac per hinge and hope your guide blocks are usable . That's why I have a box and do I mean a box of hinge parts looking for thick guide blocks .Dave lets not try to beat a dead horse try to get these hinges before they are sold :confused:

fsj454 12-04-2019 11:32 AM

They will work
Yes they will be fine grease good on the guide blocks before you install. They are all the same in my venture on sagging doors

SOLSAKS 12-04-2019 12:51 PM


already bought the NOS set on eBay

then I tell the body shop they are on the way

and they say they think the prob is fixed

so now I got an NOS set for spares on the way.

*some say their hinges have no guide blocks

and are functioning ok, so it is a mystery to me,....

but most things are.

dave in NC:drivin:

SJTD 12-04-2019 01:28 PM

I thought those plastical blocks are what hold the doors open. If so they wouldn't be required for proper funcfuncfunctioning.

SOLSAKS 12-04-2019 03:39 PM

10-4 SJTD
That makes sense.

dave in NC:drivin:

FleetFox 12-04-2019 11:20 PM

Dave I can take some pics of mine over the weekend with the wedges installed if that will help?

Fleet Fox

SOLSAKS 12-05-2019 10:49 AM

fleet fox
I appreciate the offer, but,...

the shop now says they thing they fixed the problem,...

after I bought an nos set,... but that is how it goes sometimes.

I can see the blocks installed in the photos of the NOS set

thanx again

hope your build is coming along closer to finishing.

dave in NC:drivin:

threepiece 12-05-2019 09:59 PM

The plastic inserts are to provide friction so the doors dont move too freely. There are two different styles. The early type have more degrees of movement. The later ones are less likely to allow damage in parking lots. The two are interchangeable.

SOLSAKS 12-06-2019 12:25 PM

thanx 3 piece

that is good info.

looks like we are going to have to try the NOS hinges after all.

the guy at shop fitting the driver door says.....

when he gets it to latch the rear of door is 1/2" out at the end striker is on

if he removes new door weatherstrip ( universal type, not OEM with corners )

the door shuts a lot better but still in a bind the closer you get to closing it.....

this truck was abused on the farm for over 40 years

taken completely apart, blasted, etc..... I guess with all that, things get tweaked, etc.

wish us luck on the NOS hinges solving the problem.

Iam going to be a pest and ask again, are all j10 door hinges the same over the years ?

dave in NC:drivin:

threepiece 12-06-2019 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by SOLSAKS
Iam going to be a pest and ask again, are all j10 door hinges the same over the years ?

dave in NC:drivin:

I have removed several dozen FSJ doors over the last 30 years and have only noticed the two types I mentioned above. The Cherokee, Wagoneer and trucks all use the same front door hinge.

Moreover the same front door hinge is used in all positions, upper and lower and left and right side. This was a concept that has sadly been lost in modern day auto design.

SJTD 12-06-2019 06:29 PM

He can't move the strike in?

All the hinge adjustments should be made without the door seal installed so you can feel binding. If the hinges are in good shape the seal won't affect door position.

I'd like to think the guy knows what he's doing but for reference the hinges to the jamb give you adjustment in/out of the front of the door and twist of the door toward/away from the body. If the lower part of the door is aligned but not the window frame a little tweaking of the frame is required. If the rear aligns but not the front some shimming of the fender might help or some tweaking of the lower part of the door.

Hinges to the door give you front/back position of the door and forward/back tilt.

The strike gives you in/out of the rear of the door. Obviously you have to pull the door out when it's latched to see what its position with the installed seal will be. The strike shouldn't carry any weight. If the rear of the door moves up as the latch engages, the strike needs to be moved down.

SOLSAKS 12-08-2019 09:32 AM

thanx for the advice from everyone

I will relay this info

got the NOS hinges in.

thanx again

dave in NC:drivin:

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