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rwjohnstone 12-24-2011 03:13 PM

Project: Alice
 
Hello all, I have been following several of the threads on this forum and I think it is time to start my own to show off my ambitions.

The Truck - "Alice"

1964 J-200 Townside
Tornado 230 Straight 6, The first american made overhead CAM motor.

T90 Trans, I believe a Dana 20 Transfer, Dana 44's front and back with 4:10s

This truck was fun for a few summers, I got it running and tinkered with it, When it ran, it purred like a kitten, when it did not run, it purred like a dead kitten that took a lot of money to bring back to life.




I decided it was time to upgrade, I spend a few months searching craigslist everyday looking for something with a 5 speed, and enough power to tow around my CJ-7 when the time comes...

Thats when I came acrossed a 1992.5 Dodge Power Ram with an intercooled Cummins....

my father has a 96 3500 with a cummins and we love it so I decided I needed one as well.

It is the perfect truck for the swap because the motor has 135,000 and the body and frame will make it another 10 miles if I am lucky.

I plan to do a full drivetrain swap starting on Monday. I will have lots of pictures as I work.

Enjoy the holidays.

jaber 12-25-2011 09:07 AM

Welcome to the land of empty pockets and unfinished projects...:thumbsup:

Looks like a sweet truck, I will be watching to see how it turns out.:cool:

tndonor 12-25-2011 04:17 PM

[quote=jaber]Welcome to the land of empty pockets and unfinished projects...:thumbsup:


Hey I resemble that remark.........welcome to the madness

rwjohnstone 12-26-2011 05:57 PM

Empty pockets? When I am done....



Trying to put up photos? not sure if it worked....

rwjohnstone 12-26-2011 06:11 PM

Guess it did work, that photo is Alice from her good side... The only good side.





I made a bumper quick so I had something to go camping with.




This is the motor to be... If you look close you will notice a few "odd" things. first up is the hydraulic pump and valve for a plow... If you know anyone looking for a solid 7'6" Fisher plow take a look on the rochester craigslist...

Next on the "odd" list is the "up" pipe off of the turbo going through the hood. This truck was on its way to being a sled puller until the previous owner needed some quick cash so a stack out of the hood was the best way to pump all of that black smoke from the exhaust. The pump has been turned way up so as you drive down the road it looks like an old steam train....

KaiserMan 12-26-2011 06:53 PM

So what are you going to do with the old 230 (which actually isn't the first American made OHC)? Is it any good? 2bbl by any chance?

Nice looking truck btw.

tndonor 12-26-2011 08:28 PM

Were there guages (pyro/egt) on the donor vehicle? You can get in real trouble and cause some damage without monitoring EGT and cranking the fuel to max. Seen several metled and deformed pistons from jus that. Saying the guy was into sled pulling made me tense up a bit. May want to go through things on the motor and give it a good visual to avoid problems down the road.

rwjohnstone 12-27-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tndonor
Were there guages (pyro/egt) on the donor vehicle? You can get in real trouble and cause some damage without monitoring EGT and cranking the fuel to max. Seen several metled and deformed pistons from jus that. Saying the guy was into sled pulling made me tense up a bit. May want to go through things on the motor and give it a good visual to avoid problems down the road.


I know one of the owners was going to sled pull with it but he never got to do it... I will be going through the entire engine repainting/upgrading as I go just for that reason, that and the guy was fond of zip ties and mechanics wire....:banghead:

rwjohnstone 12-27-2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaiserMan
So what are you going to do with the old 230 (which actually isn't the first American made OHC)? Is it any good? 2bbl by any chance?

Nice looking truck btw.


I am torn, I would love to keep it because it is a nice looking/operating motor, however it would be more like "furniture" for the shop because I doubt I will ever use it. Would you be interested? I thought it was the first overhead CAM motor mass produced in a vehicle... I could be wrong...

rwjohnstone 12-27-2011 09:22 PM

afternoon/evening progress...











http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...1/102_0027.jpg



I hope to have the engine trans. case, and axles off tomorrow and the dodge in the shop under the knife... as long as everything goes well......

rwjohnstone 12-28-2011 06:21 PM

Well I did not get as many hours in as I would have liked, we got just enough snow around here to require some plowing and salting so I had to go on a few runs and errands for the owner of the shop to keep the snow removal going smoothly. I did however get the engine out! and the rear axle off! hopefully better luck tomorrow... heres a few pics of todays progress:





http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...1/102_0042.jpg


http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...1/102_0062.jpg

rwjohnstone 12-30-2011 09:02 AM

The Cummins is out!:D what a project that was, the bolts on the Dodge were worse than the ones on the Jeep, right now it is hanging from the lift in the shop, the same place I left my camera hopefully I will have some new photos up in a day or so, I hope to have the axles under the Jeep in the net few days, at least mocked up and tacked in... Have a good new years!

JeepinPete 12-31-2011 04:29 PM

Really looking forward to seeing your progress on this project :thumbsup:

rwjohnstone 01-02-2012 07:45 PM

Thanks Pete! You gotta love the hollidays :D Been busy running around to parties and what-not, here are some pictures of the dodge tear down, gotta love the punisher skull on the hood...:rolleyes:











Well my 10 days off from work is now over:( back to the grind in the morning, I would much rather go to the shop in the morning and get those axles mocked up....

rwjohnstone 01-04-2012 08:46 PM

ok, back on task I have the front axle off and the dash is ready to be removed as soon as I get a helping hand to take the windshield out. someone let the wipers get too low at one point, but kept using them anyway....for a few years.... so I have a nice arched groove in my line of sight, a brick came to mind to get the glass out:rolleyes:



I have been looking at different gauges and setups that people have in other forums because I will have to replace the stock cluster. I do love the look of the speedometer, however I would like a tach. and a few others. The only issue I have is the lack of room in that tiny little dash..

SHE FLOATS!!



Too bad this tank wont fit on here....

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/...1/102_0093.jpg

I have a list of things to buy, design, and modify for this project, one of these days when I have some more time I will get all of it on here so you can get an idea of where I am headed

rwjohnstone 01-08-2012 08:12 PM

Made some progress this weekend did some mock ups to see how everything would end up height wise. its tempting to make a monster truck out of it... with the stock blocks on the axles from the dodge the top of the cab is almost 7 feet...


the rear springs are the same length and could use the same mounts... if the jeep had a narrower frame, so I removed the originals and made some new front mounts











I know what everyone is thinking, and yes that is the definition of overkill, but its what I have available to use, and I know they will never fail me. Most of the things I build or design tend to have an overkill theme to them anyway...



I loaded up the fenders and the doors to take to a friend of mine who does body work. Over the next month or two I will bring him the pieces I am ready to have straightened and painted. He will work on them when he has down time, the only thing I need to decide on is color, I was originally going to have everything painted with the factory look using the paint codes on the truck, however I am really like some of the custom paint jobs I am finding now that I am trying to decide..... I might try to find a very dark maroon, maybe a "gun metal" dark red or something similar that I would like.

I spent today cleaning out the paint booth I have been working in, thats the only problem with using someone else's shop:rolleyes:

I sold the original 230 motor saturday morning. If they have found this thread, best of luck to Frank and his son, :thumbsup: I hope she treats you well.

JeepinPete 01-08-2012 10:43 PM

No mistaking that frame for a desert truck. I've got a set of Dodge axles that are just as pock marked from rust.

rwjohnstone 01-12-2012 08:09 PM

Man has it been a busy week at work:eek: Not much to update on the truck, just getting material to plate the frame so I can put the front axle on, and then the cummins:D. I have decided I should replace the front springs, several years of snowplow abuse make them sit with a frown with that big engine on there:(. I'm trying to decide what route to take with the suspension. I have been pricing out individual springs vs. lift kits and package deals and everything seems to work out within the same $100 for a total. I really only need the front springs to be replaced (the rear are fine and in the proper shape:)) and most of the 1" or 2" lifts come with new fronts and add-a-leafs for the back. Does anyone have any great or terrible experiances with a certain brand lift kit or company? I have never done suspension work on something that weighs so much and wil be towing. Another thing on my list is to add air bags in the rear, my father has them on his 96 dodge and in my opinion they are worth their weight in gold. I came across some air charged adjustable shocks a few days ago... does anyone have any experiance with these? they seem like a good idea. More pictures to come this weekend, my goal is to at least have the front axle mounts and frame plating complete. We shall see:rolleyes:

rwjohnstone 01-15-2012 07:42 PM

All right I found a sweet deal on some new front springs $125 for both from skyjacker, I also ordered bushings, body mounts, and gauges. I took the cab off the frame and made plating for the outside frame rails. I will take pictures of them later, I left my camera in my truck outside this morning and it was so cold the screen froze.





Action shot...


rwjohnstone 01-26-2012 10:06 PM

Parts are in!! springs are wrong:mad: bushings are out of stock... tomorrow morning I am taking the front springs in to be rebuilt Hopefully this weekend will have some better results


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